Democratic Debate Open Thread. And then there were twelve.

By |2019-10-15T18:02:18-08:00October 15th, 2019|Categories: News|Tags: , , |60 Comments

Twelve? Why are there twelve now? I thought we were whittling them down, not adding to litter. 

Courtesy of CNN:

Twelve Democratic presidential candidates will take the stage here at Otterbein University on Tuesday during a swirl of news back in Washington and on the other side of the world.

Since Democrats last took the stage in September, House Democrats have opened an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump for his attempts to pressure Ukraine into investigating former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, and deliver dirt on his possible general election rival. Trump’s former aides and diplomats are being subpoenaed and called to Capitol Hill to talk to Congress about the President.

And Trump’s decision to pull troops from Syria has made way for Turkey to attack the US-allied Kurdish forces, a decision that has been condemned by Democrats and Republicans alike.

The debate represents a number of firsts in the race to take on Trump: It’s the first-time former Biden steps on to the debate stage without being the race’s clear frontrunner, a position he now shares with Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren; it’s the first time Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will return to the campaign trail since suffering a heart attack earlier this month; and the first time a whopping twelve candidates will be on the stage at the same time.

And Tuesday could represent the last time four candidates get this kind of national spotlight: Only eight of the candidates on stage have qualified for the November debate in Georgia, leaving four candidates — Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard — with the real possibility of having Tuesday’s debate be their last.

I hope it’s their last time because to be honest I would not miss a single one of them. 

After the last debate I said that I found it boring.

Somehow with all of these topics to explore I think tonight will be much more interesting. 

As usual I will update this post as new information becomes available. 

Update: Harris makes and excellent point.

I saw Cory Booker jump on this as well, but Harris started the ball rolling. 

Update 2: Klobuchar wants to make to the next debate.

I think she is misrepresenting Warren’s policy idea, however. 

Update 3: While you are watching Tulsi Gabbard on that stage, keep this in mind.

That should tell you quite a lot. 

Update 4: Mayor Pete hit a homerun with this one. 

His response to Tulsi Gabbard was pretty impressive as well. 

Update 5: This was a nice moment. 

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60 Comments

  1. Gryphen October 15, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    And so it begins.

  2. Gryphen October 15, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    Not enough time for opening statements.

    I can’t say I will miss them.

  3. Gryphen October 15, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    Tulsi Gabbard sounds disappointed that she has to support impeaching Donald Trump in order to remain a Democratic candidate.

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:51 pm

      Well at least she should be happy with the mess in Syria.

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:06 pm

      She’s being primary challenged in Hawaii for her current seat. I like her challenger. Tulsi needs to go.

      • Anonymous October 16, 2019 at 4:09 am

        Cool!’ I’m donating to that person!

  4. Anon October 15, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    IMO Joe Biden made a mistake avoiding the question about why as President he would not have a family member working for a foreign country etc. I think he could have pivoted to making an example of nepotism, abuse of power and violation of emoluments clause by President Trump and his family.

  5. Gryphen October 15, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Warren’s new status as the frontrunner apparently makes this pile on Elizabeth day.

    • 😐 October 15, 2019 at 6:31 pm

      When isn’t it? Same shit different day!

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:08 pm

      If she can’t handle it in a Democratic debate she won’t handle it as a candidate against Trump.

      And she CAN handle it. I hope she wins just to watch her wipe the floor with Trump and Pence.

  6. Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:18 pm

    There are too many candidates. They should tighten things up and have Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg only. They are the only ones that still have a chance at the nomination.

    • CFR October 15, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      Bernie was done after his heart attack and everyone knows it except some Bernie bro’sbuying Janes 4th home.

      • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:10 pm

        I agree. I’d like to see Andrew Yang stay in as long as Kamala Harris. Right now they both have as much chance of winning, I.E. none.

        Personally, I’d like to see a Warren/ Buttigieg ticket with the rest named as cabinet for those departments they most qualify to lead. No sense wasting talent.

        • Anon October 16, 2019 at 2:42 am

          I also see future cabinet members in this group of candidates.

  7. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    White House is furious over ‘parade’ of officials testifying to impeachment panel: report

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/white-house-is-furious-over-parade-of-officials-testifying-to-impeachment-panel-report/

  8. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:29 pm

    Trump Loses Again As Court Revives Lawsuit That Accuses Him Of Profiting From The Presidency

    Trump can’t stop losing

    …..The court’s decision is just the latest legal setback for Trump, and it comes at a time when his presidency is already mired in a serious impeachment inquiry in which Democrats continue to snag key witnesses.

    Last Friday, Trump was handed five major court losses in one day. One ruling rejected the president’s efforts to block the release of his tax returns and another ruled that his emergency declaration to pay for an unpopular border wall is unlawful.

    For three years, a majority of the country has watched this president abuse his office and wondered when he would face some type of accountability. Over the past few weeks – from federal courtrooms to the halls of Congress – that accountability appears to be on its way.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/trump-loses-again-court-revives-lawsuit-accuses-profiting-from-presidency.html

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:53 pm

      Trump can’t stop losing
      =================
      that is because he is a LOSER, couldn’t even win an election without help from our enemy.

  9. CFR October 15, 2019 at 5:31 pm

    I like Mayor Pete, but this week he attacked, for no reason, both Warren and Beto…….not necessary and IMO maybe it turned me off him a bit.
    I do think Biden is done, I also think Bernie is done……they both need to step aside for the good of our country.
    It will give the other non tainted candidates a chance to come up to Warren ( I like Warren so don’t get me wrong)so when the party Nom is done the majority of voters actually get out and vote.

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:14 pm

      I don’t like it. But it does show he would make an excellent VP as that is one of the roles of the VP in a campaign; attack dog. Pete would be excellent. Plus 8 years as a VP would give him the experience to win two terms on his own after that.

      Beto should drop out and go run for senator for Texas. He needs a few more terms in Congress to ripen him.

  10. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:31 pm

    Senate Democrats To Use Turkey Sanctions To Trap Trump On Releasing His Tax Returns

    Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) wants to add an amendment to the Turkey sanctions bill requiring Trump to release his tax returns.

    Sen. Murphy said in a statement provided to PoliticusUSA:

    No one but Trump is to blame for the chaos Turkey has unleashed in Syria, and we all need to acknowledge it will be difficult to put the genie back in the bottle at this point. It’s absurd that Trump is now sanctioning Turkey for an invasion that he invited and announced. No one should fall for this attempted about-face.

    Congress now has a decision to make: do something in haste that makes us feel powerful or do something strategic that accounts for the fact that much of the harm Trump has done cannot be reversed. First, Congress has a responsibility to get to the bottom of why Trump made this surprise decision last Sunday night. Any legislation that Congress takes up should require the president, and any candidate for president, to disclose their tax returns. Second, Congress needs to make sure America does its part to alleviate the humanitarian nightmare caused by Trump’s unconscionable double crossing of the Kurds.

    Congress should require Trump to take increased numbers of Kurdish refugees into the United States, and we should provide countries like Iraq with humanitarian aid to help deal with a new influx of refugees. As it pertains to sanctions against Turkey, Congress should be targeted and thoughtful. This means passing only those sanctions necessary to encourage the prospective behaviors we want Turkey to engage in. Sanctions to simply punish them for actions that the President of the United States invited them to take makes no strategic sense. Thus, our sanctions should seek to deter Turkey and Turkish-backed forces from committing war crimes or obstructing humanitarian relief. Sanctions should disincentivize the forced repatriation of Syrian refugees living in Turkey. And sanctions should punish Turkey for knowingly allowing ISIS to regroup.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/turkey-sanctions-trump-tax-returns.html

    • anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      Pelosi And Schumer Just Basically Called Donald Trump Insane

      In a statement announcing their bipartisan resolution condemning Trump’s decision to abandon US allies in Syria, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer called on Congress to restore sanity to US national security.

      Pelosi and Schumer said in a statement provided to PoliticusUSA:

      The chaos and insecurity unleashed in Syria by President Trump’s disastrous decision to precipitously withdraw from northern Syria require strong, smart leadership from Congress.

      Since President Trump gave Turkey the green light to attack our Kurdish partners, Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate have been united in our swift and serious condemnation of this reckless action, which threatens countless lives, endangers our Kurdish partners and undermines our credibility in the world. Furthermore, President Trump’s action not only risks regional security, but it also risks security in our homeland because ISIS is resurging. Already, dozens of people have died and hundreds of ISIS supporters and families have escaped.

      We have always maintained that, while certainly needed, a sanctions package alone is insufficient for reversing this humanitarian disaster. Today, the Congress continues bipartisan, bicameral leadership to reject President Trump’s dangerous actions in Syria. With one voice, we call on President Trump to support Kurdish communities, to work to ensure that the Turkish military acts with restraint, and to present a clear strategy to defeat ISIS. This resolution also urges President Erdogan to immediately cease unilateral military action in Syria.

      Sanity and strength must be immediately restored to America’s national security. We urge all of our colleagues – Democrat and Republican – to support this resolution.

      By calling for sanity and strength to be restored to US national security, Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer were calling Trump weak and insane.

      More…

      https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/pelosi-schumer-trump-insane.html

      • anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:35 pm

        Mike Pence Throws A Fit And Refuses To Comply With Impeachment Subpoenas

        ….Trump and Pence are using the bogus claim that there hasn’t been a vote to refuse to comply with congressional subpoenas. Pence’s letter, like Trump’s, wasn’t a legal defense, but a tantrum. Speaker Pelosi is going to hold a vote to formalize the impeachment investigation to drive a stake through the heart of this bogus excuse for obstruction that Trump and Pence are hiding behind.

        https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/mike-pence-throws-a-fit-and-refuses-to-comply-with-impeachment-subpoenas.html

      • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:18 pm

        By abandoning the Kurds in Syria Trump basically handed the region over to RUSSIA. Given no choice, the Kurds brokered a deal with Syria for protection. Syria then cut a deal with Russia. The Russians have already moved in to help defend Syria and the Kurds.

        If that doesn’t make Trump a Russian asset, willing or oblivious, I don’t know what does.

        Now, Trump doesn’t do anything on his own because the man is illiterate, a malignant narcissist and had dementia. So we have to look to who ADVISED him to pull the U.S. out of Syria. While a lot of politicians are coming forward as outraged, etc. we need to find the little voice in Donald Trump’s head that convinced him to do this. Could it be….Stephen Miller?

        • Anonymous October 16, 2019 at 12:27 am

          https://news.yahoo.com/russia-assumes-mantle-supreme-power-170010221.html

          “Russia’s status as the undisputed power-broker in the Middle East was cemented as Vladimir Putin continued a triumphant tour of capitals traditionally allied to the US and Russian troops entered a hastily evacuated US base in Syria

          The Russian president, who spent Monday in Saudi Arabia’s crown prince Mohammed bin Salman in Riyadh, landed in the United Arab Emirates on Tuesday morning.”

          “But the visit also underscores an attempt by Russia to strengthen ties with traditional US allies in the Middle East following Donald Trump’s decision last week to pull troops out of Syria.

          The move leaves Moscow the decisive military power in Syria, and US allies, including Saudi Arabia and the UAE, are likely to see friendship with Moscow as important if they are to contain regional rivals Iran and Turkey.

          Kremlin has worked closely with Iran to prop-up Bashar Assad in Syria, leaving it with valuable diplomatic leverage on either side of the conflict between Tehran and Riyadh. ”

          Not sure if you could classify Trump as insane but he certainly is an idiot.

  11. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Here are 3 moves a desperate Trump will likely attempt in order to cling to power

    In a column for the Daily Beast, political observer Micheal Tomasky speculated — and not without good reason — that a frantic Donald Trump will do anything to remain in office and thereby avoid being slammed with criminal indictments once he departs the Oval Office for good..

    As the columnist explained, impeachment seems inevitable and the president will likely take desperate measures and that he has already given hints about three paths he may take — if not all of them.

    Tomasky wrote, “It’s foolish to say that Trump thinks ahead about anything. The late journalist Wayne Barrett said many true things about Trump, but the truest ever was when he observed that Trump says whatever will get him through the next 10 minutes,” before adding, “People around him of course are more strategic and are thinking ahead. And they’re all saying and doing and writing things right now that will, if the opportunity presents itself, pave the way for Trump to burn the Constitution.”

    Option number one, he explained is to declare impeachment unconstitutional — a ploy his lawyers are already attempting with a letter to the Democrats.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/here-are-3-moves-a-desperate-trump-will-likely-attempt-in-order-to-cling-to-power/

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:25 pm

      “Option two, he wrote, is just keep lying and painting more and more pictures of a “Deep State” conspiracy bound and determined to pull off a coup.”

      “Lastly, and Trump has been promoting this since he first was elected despite losing the popular vote: “Delegitimize the 2020 election.””

      Michael Moore has been warning us since before Trump was even elected. He has said Trump isn’t going to leave the White House even if he loses in 2020. Moore mentioned option three and Trump declaring a national emergency and suspending elections. He did say it would be an option for 2024 so that Trump could STAY in office beyond his re-election (yes, Moore thinks he’ll be re-elected) while continuing to whittle away at the Constitution, precedent and all that. (Of course this is assuming Trump LIVES another five years. Personally, I think the man is going to die. No one can survive five years of constant rage, high blood pressure and fear, especially on his diet.)

  12. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    Speaker Pelosi rips Trump for violating his oath of office: ‘All roads seem to lead to Putin’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/speaker-pelosi-rips-trump-for-violating-his-oath-of-office-all-roads-seem-to-lead-to-putin/

  13. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    A volley of attacks from Elizabeth Warren’s rivals at tonight’s #DemDebate confirmed what polls have started to show: The Massachusetts senator is the new leader of the primary pack,
    @russellberman writes:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1184286324930568193

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/elizabeth-warren-democrats-attacks/600070/

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:28 pm

      As such they need to lay off and stop giving the Republicans ammunition. Everyone needs to lay off the personal attacks. They need to realize that they are not going to be president and set their ambitions aside. Support the candidate and work cooperatively. Some of them will end up in the cabinet of the new administration. All, except perhaps Sanders and Biden, have a shot at running again in the future. If they play ball they might be VP and have a shot in 2024 or 2028.

  14. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 6:20 pm

    Right-wing Pastor Mark Burns caught leading Trump supporters in chants of ‘war’ for the president

    ….“We’ve come to declare war!” Pastor Mark Burns told the crowd three times in the Donald J. Trump Grand Ballroom. Conference-goers roared back: “War! War!”

    Burns went on: “Do I have anybody who is ready to go to war for Donald J. Trump, for this nation? I can’t hear you? Anybody? Ready to go to war! Because we’re citizens of the greatest country in the world!” The audience cheered.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/right-wing-pastor-mark-burns-leads-trump-supporters-in-chants-of-war/

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:56 pm

      Hey if those morons want to go fight over in Syria, be my guest.

    • Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:41 pm

      https://news.yahoo.com/atheists-secular-groups-arms-over-194646812.html

      “The U.S. Constitution protects the separation of church and state—but evidently not church and State Department, which came under fire for promoting a “Being a Christian Leader” speech Monday on its website.

      The speech, delivered by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo at a meeting of American Association of Christian Counselors on Friday, saw Pompeo discuss the influence of his faith on his work as a U.S. official. On Monday, the State Department shared the speech at the top of its website, ahead of more pressing department issues, like U.S. involvement in Turkey’s invasion of Syria. The speech and the State Department’s promotion of the video breached the divide between church and state, leaders from secular and atheist communities say.

      “Secretary Pompeo’s speech was pure proselytization,” Sarah Levin, director of governmental affairs at the Secular Coalition for America told The Daily Beast. ”

      And now it’s front and center on the State Department’s webpage.

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/state-dept-website-christian-leader_n_5da5531ce4b0058374e7fe54

      “The U.S. State Department’s main homepage was updated on Monday to show a photo of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with the headline: “Being A Christian Leader.” ”

      “The headline on the State Department homepage was changed later in the day to read: “Secretary Pompeo at the America Association of Christian Counselors.” By nighttime, the page was changed completely to a report about sanctions against Turkey.

      Americans United for Separation of Church and State slammed the speech and the government website makeover.”

      Now, Isn’t Pompeo involved in all of the Ukraine impeachable offenses crap too?

  15. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    Internet rips Tulsi Gabbard for ‘spewing’ Russian conspiracy ‘garbage’ about Syria

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/right-wing-pastor-mark-burns-leads-trump-supporters-in-chants-of-war/

  16. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    FBI officials were ‘rattled’ and ‘blindsided’ by Trump’s call for Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden

    FBI officials were “rattled” and “blindsided” by President Donald Trump’s calls for Ukraine to manufacture dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden and his son ahead of the 2020 election.
    “You walk down the halls, and there was this sense of dread, and everyone’s kind of thinking, did the president really do this?” one FBI special agent told Insider.

    Officials are also frustrated by the Justice Department’s decision not to launch a criminal investigation into allegations in a whistleblower complaint accusing Trump of breaking campaign-finance laws.

    The Justice Department’s handling of the matter added to concerns about whether the FBI was being “neutered as an organization,” a US official told Insider.

    Complicating matters is the fact that all this occurred against the backdrop of Attorney General William Barr’s investigation into the origins of the Russia probe.

    “There’s a lot of concern among officials that they’re going to get thrown into the blender, that they do all the work and then are ridiculed for it, and accused of facilitating a coup or doing the bidding of the deep state,” Frank Montoya Jr., a recently retired FBI agent, told Insider.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-officials-rattled-blindsided-by-trump-request-ukraine-biden-dirt-2019-10

  17. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    Pete Buttigieg Smacks Down Tulsi Gabbard For Defending Trump’s Syria Disaster

    Gabbard said that what’s happening in Syria isn’t just the fault of the current president. Instead, both parties who have been pushing “endless war” are to blame for the bloodshed playing out across the region.

    The South Bend mayor took issue with her framing of the issue and he let her know it.

    “You can put an end to endless war without embracing Donald Trump’s policy, as you’re doing,” Buttigieg said to Gabbard. “What we were doing in Syria was keeping our word.”

    Buttigieg said:

    You can put an end to endless war without embracing Donald Trump’s policy, as you’re doing. … What we were doing in Syria was keeping our word. Part of what makes it possible for the United States to get people to put their lives on the line to back us up is the idea that we will back them up, too. When I was deployed, not just the Afghan national army forces but the janitors put their lives on the line just by working with U.S. Forces. I would have a hard time today looking an Afghan civilian or soldier in the eye after what just happened over there. And it is undermining the honor of our soldiers. You take away the honor of our soldiers, you ever might as well go after their body armor next. This president has betrayed American values, our credible has been tattered. I will restore U.S. Credibility before it is finally too late.

    Donald Trump has blood on his hands

    Since Donald Trump gave the green light for Turkey to move into Syria and slaughter the Kurds – trusted American allies who helped fight ISIS in the region – he has faced bipartisan condemnation.

    Unfortunately, Tulsi Gabbard seemed to suggest during Tuesday night’s debate that it’s not just Trump who deserves blame for the humanitarian catastrophe playing out in Syria, even though both parties know he is solely responsible.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/buttigieg-smacks-down-tulsi-gabbard-defending-trump-syria-disaster.html

  18. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    Cory Booker Defends Joe Biden And Slams The Media For Elevating Trump’s Lies

    New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker stopped the debate in its tracks on Tuesday night to defend former Vice President Joe Biden and slam the media for elevating Donald Trump’s lies during the Biden family.

    “We are literally using Donald Trump’s lies, and the second issue we cover is elevating a lie and attacking a statesman,” Sen. Booker said, referring to Biden. “That was so offensive.”

    Booker said:

    I am having Déjà vu all over again, first of all, because I saw this play in 2016’s election. We are literally using Donald Trump’s lies, and the second issue we cover is elevating a lie and attacking a statesman. That was so offensive.

    The only person sitting at home and enjoying that was Donald Trump seeing that we are distracting from his malfeasance and selling out of his office.

    Many in the media are forcing Biden to defend completely appropriate behavior

    Earlier in the debate, Biden was asked about his son’s business dealings with Ukraine, which is essentially a validation of Trump’s debunked claims about Hunter Biden.

    While CNN’s Anderson Cooper was sure to say that Trump’s claims about Hunter Biden were unsubstantiated, making the former vice president defend himself and his son only gives off the perception that there is something valid about the president’s desperate lies.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/15/cory-booker-defends-biden-slams-media-elevating-trump-lies.html

  19. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    READ: Full Appeals Court Agrees To Rehear Emoluments Decision That Favored Trump

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-full-appeals-court-agrees-to-rehear-emoluments-decision-that-favored-trump

  20. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    In Pushing For Ukraine Dirt, Trump Saw Value In Corrupt Prosecutors

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/in-pushing-for-ukraine-dirt-trump-saw-value-in-corrupt-prosecutors

    Joe Biden issues horrifying warning that if ‘crazy’ Trump is reelected ‘there will be no NATO’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/joe-biden-issues-horrifying-warning-that-if-crazy-trump-is-reelected-there-will-be-no-nato/

  21. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    The purpose of the presidency is not the glorification of the president. It is the unification of the American people. #DemDebate

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1184307588646744071

  22. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    How Facebook shot themselves in the foot in their Elizabeth Warren spat

    When Elizabeth Warren criticised Facebook over their decision to let Trump run false ads, Facebook compared itself to a broadcaster. That was a big mistake

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/15/facebook-elizabeth-warren-regulation

    • anonymous October 15, 2019 at 8:16 pm

      The floodgates are opening as Trump officials publicly defy his orders and more whistleblowers come out of the shadows

      The Trump administration has been clear: Officials are not to comply with Congress’ demands for documents and witness testimony in its impeachment inquiry.

      But it looks like the people around President Donald Trump are done taking his orders, and the dam is bursting as a flurry of current and former officials step up to testify.

      Taken together, their revelations paint a damaging portrait of a concerted effort across the government to leverage US foreign policy in exchange for material that would personally benefit the president.

      More whistleblowers are also coming out of the shadows. In addition to three who have already been reported on, Congress has heard from several more in recent days, some of whom were determined to speak out after learning of Trump’s efforts to use official policy for political gain.

      The Trump administration was unequivocal: Government officials are not to comply with Congress’ demands for documents and witness testimony as they investigate whether to impeach President Donald Trump.

      But it looks like the people around Trump are done taking his orders, and the dam is finally bursting.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-officials-whistleblowers-defy-orders-to-stay-silent-2019-10

  23. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    Democrats debate in Ohio: Who came out on top?

    Here are the candidates who stood out during the debate.

    South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg

    Buttigieg had a strong night and might have emerged as the winner of the debate.

    The performance is well-timed for Buttigieg, who burst out of the gate but has stagnated in recent months.

    Recent polls of Iowa show that he’s getting a second look from voters, and Tuesday night’s debate could give him a burst of momentum heading into the final months before the caucuses.

    Buttigieg went aggressively after Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), accusing her of equivocating on the central question of whether taxes would have to be raised on the middle class to pay for her “Medicare for All” plan.

    “Your signature, senator, is to have a plan for everything, except this,” Buttigeig said.

    The South Bend mayor had set himself on a collision course with Warren in recent weeks, taking positions to establish himself as a centrist who is not afraid to take on the progressive wing of the party.

    Late in the debate, Buttigieg pivoted off of a Medicare for All squabble to accuse Warren of promoting “infinite partisan combat” and to criticize former Vice President Joe Biden for believing that Washington can return to normal after President Trump leaves office.

    Buttigieg also memorably clashed with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) over U.S. involvement in the Middle East, showcasing his foreign policy chops in a tense argument between two military veterans.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/466011-democrats-debate-in-ohio-who-came-out-on-top

    • anonymous October 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm

      Here are the winners and losers of Tuesday’s crowded Democratic presidential debate

      The winners

      South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg had the strongest performance of the night. He was aggressive and had the second most attacks on other candidates of all of those on the stage, according to an analysis from NBC News. This can be a risky strategy, but it paid off for Buttigieg on issues like foreign policy.

      Buttigieg, a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, had a heated exchange with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a veteran of the Iraq War, on Trump’s recent decision to abandon US-allied Kurdish forces in Syria.

      Gabbard contended the US never should’ve been involved in Syria in the first place, making nebulous references to a “regime change war.”

      Buttigieg told her she was “dead wrong,” offering an impassioned rebuke of Trump’s “betrayal” of Kurdish forces who bore the brunt of the US-led campaign against ISIS. The South Bend, Indiana, mayor warned that Trump’s decision could to massive damage to US credibility and send a dangerous message to the wider world.

      At 37, Buttigieg is the youngest candidate running for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, but he came off as a seasoned, intrepid politician on Tuesday night.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/winners-and-losers-fourth-democratic-presidential-debate-2019-10

  24. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Heads up ALASKA!

    Alaska is open for business
    by Gov. Mike Dunleavy

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/alaska-is-open-for-business

  25. Anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:05 pm

    Mayor Pete will make a great VP for eight years and after that will make a great president for another eight. (Might take that long to clean up the mess.)

    I see Life Coach Marianne Williamson finally didn’t make the cut. But is that Tom Steyer? He’s in?

    This is becoming a running joke. The Democrats should have pared down the competition faster. The next debate should only be six: Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttegieg, Yang and Harris. If there is a following debate it should be only three or four and that should be the LAST one. This Vaudeville has gone on long enough. They basically should have reduced the field by 75% each time. So, 20, 15, 10, 5 and we’re done. Four debates. Plenty. Or maybe one more bonus with the final 2 or 3 when it’s closer to the first primary. That last thing we need is the Democrats recreating that shit show the Republicans had in 2016.

    Meanwhile:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russia-syria-turkey-us_n_5da5ccade4b0058374e95251

    “Russia moved to fill the void left by the United States in northern Syria, deploying troops Tuesday to keep apart advancing Syrian government and Turkish forces. At the same time, tensions grew within NATO as Turkey defied growing condemnation from its Western allies of its invasion across the border.”

    What choice did the Kurds have? Ally with Syria or face genocide by Turkey. With the U.S. gone who you gonna call? Russia. They’re ready to step in and play both sides to look like saviors. Trump is a fucking idiot and the sooner he and all his lot are gone, the better. At this rate, I’m not sure any Democratic president is going to be able to repair the damage. Pete said it. No one trusts the U.S. anymore. Our word is shit, thanks to that orange stain in the Oval Office.

    You know it’s bad when even John Bolton is alarmed and warning whoever he can.

    Trump, Pence, Barr, Giuliani, Mulvaney (https://news.yahoo.com/senior-state-dept-ukraine-expert-010950224.html) (and yes, Kent is testifying too), the “three amigos” Sondland, Volker, Rick Perry (https://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-ex-trump-adviser-040632051.html) and now Pete Sessions (https://news.yahoo.com/ex-rep-sessions-subpoenaed-giuliani-230540160.html). John Eisenberg may be next. How many more are involved in this impeachable Ukraine debacle? And all the while Moscow Mitch has his head up his shell and is declaring he will see to it that Trump is never impeached, I’ll assume no matter what the FACTS show or the EVIDENCE presented. He’s already decided.

    Well, already senators are jumping ship. They sent a bill to Trump denying the emergency status of his embezzling all that allocated money for his vanity-wall and Trump vetoed it.

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-vetoes-measure-end-emergency-025315657.html

    So let’s see if more Republicans jump ship and override that veto. Given Trump’s approvals, the polls supporting impeachment, the power of the Congressional purse at stake for precedent and the upcoming elections, how many more Republican Senators and Representatives will decide that overriding this veto is safer than allowing Trump to shift more power of the purse from Congress to the President? Especially since a Democrat could do it in the future. You’d think Mitch would also be on board overriding this since he lost all that money for his own state. Yeah, Trump is an equal-opportunity thief and plenty of Republican districts had money that was allocated to them for projects taken by Trump for his useless folly of a wall. The climbers are already climbing reconstructions of his wall in contests with prizes. An 8 year old girl did it. A guy did it while juggling. The wall is a joke. If the Republicans were SMART, this would be their line in the sand. Trump has no business declaring an emergency just to take money already allocated to other projects. Only Congress makes that decision. Oh, and the courts have already said Trump’s money grab is ILLEGAL. Do they really want this to go to the Supreme Court? If they’re smart, they’ll put on their big boy pants and take action on their own and veto his ass.

    If Trump wants to keep his campaign promise he should keep ALL of it. He said, MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR IT. So fine, no wall until Mexico pays for it. Simple.

  26. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:12 pm
  27. anonymous October 15, 2019 at 10:38 pm

    Kurds in Syria were using back channels to talk to Russians for a YEAR after being warned by Putin’s ambassador that American forces would abandon them

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7577015/Fearing-US-abandonment-Kurds-kept-channels-wide-open.html

  28. PennywiZe October 16, 2019 at 7:51 am

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/16/trump-democrats-clowns.html

    tinydjt tweet>
    Our record Economy would CRASH, just like in 1929, if any of those clowns became President!
    3:29 AM – Oct 16, 2019

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